Thursday, February 17, 2005

Do-it-yourself CoIntelPro

Looks like a new site from White Power activist Michael Crook called Forsake the Troops. This time he’s creating another site that’s designed to attack the U.S. troops, presumably to make those who oppose the war in Iraq look bad. Reminds me of a fake newsreel I once saw that the Nazis made back in the 1930s about a rape of an Aryan woman in Poland. These big, bald, mean-looking Poles ganged up and proceeded to violate a helpless Aryan, and it was reported that this was common. Why the German camera crew didn’t do anything about it was a mystery—almost as much of a mystery as how it was that they got the rapists to stand all around her, letting them get such footage.

Crook’s site is up there with what the Nazis did, and what J. Edgar Hoover’s CoIntelPro tried to do back in the 1960s and 1970s. It may not be as broad-reaching, and it may not have government support, but it works on the same principle, and it’s sleazy as hell. I signed Crook’s guestbook, stating the following:

This is a pretty elaborate effort. This site is obviously fake, though. There's an underlying respect for the military on this site, particularly in your "letters" section, which features articulate and polite letters from your "detractors." I'm not saying that those who support the Iràq adventure are necessarily inarticulate, but I honestly don't think you guys would be showing articulate and polite letters from people you "hate."

You guys really do need someone to hate the troops. There really aren't such people, so you have to invent them. I'm not fooled, and neither is anýone else.

Next time, try harder.

Within fifteen minutes, my comment had been deleted from the site. Shockola.

Crook did something like this last year, I’ve learned, creating a fake “group” called Citizens Against the Troops, as a “practical joke,” he claims. Click here for more information about Crook's first ruse.

27 Comments:

At Friday, February 18, 2005 at 10:10:00 PM EST, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well as you can tell by my username, I am in fact the webmaster and founder of Forsake The Troops.

I find it amazing how everyone cries and whines about freedom of speech, and then when someone comes along with a view they don't agree with, they cry out "post your name and address for all to see", "call his hosting company" and you generally want to take away the speech you don't agree with. Of course, that's typical of your ilk.

This website isn't going anywhere. It is highly unlikely that my host will pull the website, because it does not violate any laws. If angering and disgusting people is a violation of law, then 94% of the websites out there must be shut down, including this one. Fair's fair.

I also find it funny that people think this website is being done for attention, or traffic, or whatever. It is not. People suggest fighting back by not going, and thereby eliminating traffic. First off, that hasn't happened since the website's gone online. We've actually had to upgrade our server to meet the traffic demands. Secondly, if that happens, so be it. The people that comprise our organization have plenty of disposable income, and paying for a server that costs less than $150 a month is a drop in the bucket for us. Visit, don't visit....it's up to you. The site's staying up whether we get 1 hit a day or 100,000 a day. Just so you know, we got 119,371 hits yesterday alone.

The site exists for the very reason the Internet exists...to put our views out there, and give people a chance to express their opinions, through the guestbook, forums, or e-mailing their oh so intelligent comments.

You can call Forsake The troops "filth" or whatever you like, but the fact remains, the site isn't going anywhere. Even if our host were to shut it down, the site will merely move to another hosting provider outside of the country. The worst that would happen, people, is that the site would go down for 48 hours, although we have contigency plans in place to make sure our message stays up. The underlying point is, you can't take a website off the Internet just because you don't disagree with it.

I laugh at the notion that people with my views be forced to leave the country. Isn't freedom of speech and expression one of the foundations on which this country was founded? Besides, I pay taxes, as does every one of our nineteen members....we have a right to be here, and speak our mind, regardless of what anyone thinks.


I find it funny that people say the website pisses them off, makes them cry, or whatever....yet they still come back every day. Ironic, isn't it?
Maybe you agree with our views and that pisses you off.

Food for thought.

 
At Friday, February 18, 2005 at 11:25:00 PM EST, Blogger Kurt Kaletka said...

Heh... Try to smear me, if you will. The facts stand. And your lie about me calling to have your site removed by its host: I never said any such thing. I'm just saying it's a fake, and that you should be called on that. It's curious how in your post you didn't say one word to refute my calling you out on being a fake, did you? Very telling, very telling.

By all means, keep your site up. But I have to tell you that fair's fair: the rest of us have a right to comment on it. If you were actually interested in this exchange you're claiming to be interested in, you wouldn't have deleted both comments I put up on your fake site's guestbook. Don't you worry, though: as inane as it is, I'm going to let your comment stand, even though, as site administrator, I could delete it. I believe in the exchange of ideas.

You do disgust me because of the sleazy tactics you're using to whip up support for your cause. And you won't even address my accusation that your whole site is a fake, and that you're just doing it to make opponents of Bush's Iraq adventure look like spiteful, hateful monsters. Just like you are.

I'll continue to call you on your lie, like it or not. And I have not nor will I call for your site to be taken down. It'll have to stay up, I guess, as a testimony to just how low you Bush apologists are willing to sink.

See you around, sleazeball.

 
At Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 3:44:00 PM EST, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I checked out the site briefly. I find it odd that he complained about having to pay a pension to the Marine. Isn't Workman's Compensation the law of the land? He claims that because these people have volunteered that they don't deserve it. Has anyone been forced to take any job in America since slavery was abolished? Seems to me to be a specious and fatuous argument.

I'd like to see what he felt about living here after 20 years without our armed forces.

 
At Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 4:42:00 PM EST, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It amazes me that people that hate America so much do not leave. I'm sure North Korea, Iran or Cuba has immigration policies that would welcome people with diverse political views.

 
At Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 4:50:00 PM EST, Anonymous DrewB said...

This moron is such a tool. This is the third site where I've seen him leave the exact same "freedom of speech" post. He did it on my site yesterday when I exposed him for the cowardly fraud he is. I also found out quite a bit more dirt on his pathetic life and crys for attention. You can see more at http://www.conservativefriends.com/viewtopic.php?t=1358

 
At Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 4:57:00 PM EST, Anonymous Brad said...

"You guys really do need someone to hate the troops. There really aren't such people, so you have to invent them."

Very interesting. Then explain this --

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=8744

here is an excerpt --

"If there’s one slogan that’s come to represent the anti-war movement in its current incarnation, it’s one that appeared on a banner in a March 15 demonstration in San Francisco. It bore the message,“We Support Our Troops, When They Shoot Their Officers.” This banner has been seen around the world and cited in more than 400 publications."

 
At Saturday, February 19, 2005 at 7:01:00 PM EST, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not certain what this Guy's problems are. He obviously craves attention. His ideas are a lightning rod for extremeists. Those who share his viewpoints are promoting Sedition. He like cowards like himself enjoy their freedoms at the expense of those who have died providing it. I have a Step Son who is in Iraq USMC. I have an Uncle who died on Omaha Beach, another in the Invasion of Salerno, One who fought at Iowa Jima, one in the 101st Airborne in WW2, One who fought in the Battle of the Bulge. Gen. George Patton stated Cowards should not be allowed to breed. I agree. Freedom has always come at a price. The Iraqis are paying that Price. This guy is a loser who will be forgotten. Is his 15 seconds of fame up yet?

 
At Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 3:49:00 PM EST, Blogger Auguste said...

If there’s one slogan that’s come to represent the anti-war movement in its current incarnation, it’s one that appeared on a banner in a March 15 demonstration in San Francisco. It bore the message,“We Support Our Troops, When They Shoot Their Officers.” This banner has been seen around the world and cited in more than 400 publications.Oh, sure, they exist, and they're usually Black Bloc protestors, which is about like saying that neo-nazis are representative of conservatives. The idea that that slogan "has come to represent the anti-war movement" is the same typical frontpagemag bullshit that demonstrates the same distorted vision of the left that led this guy to create "forsakethetroops".

 
At Sunday, February 20, 2005 at 5:44:00 PM EST, Blogger actus said...

Whats funny about that frontpage article is that it starts off like this:

"If there’s one slogan that’s come to represent the anti-war movement in its current incarnation,

And then has quotes from the sloganeer disagreeing with every other faction of the anti-war movement. Very 'representative'.

Its come to 'represent' the movement only to the people who 'really do need someone to hate the troops.'

 
At Monday, February 21, 2005 at 12:22:00 AM EST, Blogger Kurt Kaletka said...

DrewB—I see this guy fooled you at first, and you pegged him as a "leftie," just like he wanted you to. I understand the impulse, believe me! I remember hearing Karl Rove say last year that he was going to retire after the election, and I believed him. Well, he's since reneged on that promise. I guess it happens to all of us.

Anyway, thanks for the link, and I'm glad to see you guys giving this guy the crap that he deserves. I'm a little disappointed that he didn't bother to personalize his message to me, but I'll get over it!

Auguste—That's exactly what I was going to say.

 
At Monday, February 21, 2005 at 10:44:00 PM EST, Anonymous Joe Oliver said...

to the brave A**Hole Annon. ...

you just another COWARD hiding out behind PureBS... but I guarentee I will find your identity and post it to vets internationally.

get a life you wannabe folker.

Joe Oliver, GED (Bet you don't have one of those )
Not Politically Correct, No Speil Chicker and No GrammaTic's ( Got Gramm
a Tic Colla )
Houston, TX

 
At Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 2:18:00 AM EST, Anonymous Doc Rampage said...

Well, count me as a right-wing war-supporter who thinks this guy is an obvious fake. There is no passion to his hatred, it's designed solely to provoke and annoy.

I agree that the most likely explanation is that he is trying to make the anti-war types look bad and I'm just as disgusted about it as you are. My side doesn't need any help from assholes like this.

 
At Tuesday, February 22, 2005 at 3:03:00 PM EST, Anonymous Shane Stanford said...

I left him a message on his sign-in book. I tried to call him and the website supporters "meat puppets" but meat puppets was replaced with "censored"s like i tried to use curse words or something. Isn't this guy great? He calls all military scum but is afraid of being called meat puppet. Hmmmm never cool always be a tool.

 
At Thursday, April 28, 2005 at 7:26:00 PM EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I noticed on his website that he thinks our military are drawing pay for doing "nothing", and he rants and raves about how military should just go on welfare and all go home, disbanded.
Well, we military families have a proposal. Come to the holiday resort that is Camp Pendleton. Come enjoy their bouts of exercise, training and lets don't forget the four star restaurant called "The Mess".... This dweeb hates the military because he can't measure up to them. He hasn't the physical, moral or psychological character to be a Marine. Either he wanted to be a servicemember and they didn't want him, he envies them or he hit on one of them and the servicemember knocked his clock loose.
That's the part that is funny about his site.... He obviously envies them so much that tries to bring them down to his level.
But this same "guy" would be screaming for the military to "save me, save me" if our shores were invaded and hostiles approached his home.....
My husband is a Marine, and he said that he is sure he and his buddies can give him transport to whatever country he reveres, and dump him off on their land to his own devices. He wouldn't last a day. Anywhere. Because he needs those troops that he despises or envies so much, to protect him, his home and his family.

 
At Friday, April 29, 2005 at 2:48:00 AM EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder if he was refused the right to serve the military because of some psychosis or medical problem, so now he's upset about it.

It's just a thought. It might be totally wrong, and probably is, but what else could cause someone to be so stupid about people getting paid to do a job?

I bet he wouldn't last in basic training, and I bet that he couldn't perform a military job well.

 
At Friday, May 6, 2005 at 3:49:00 PM EDT, Anonymous Aaron said...

hi kurt--that link needs to be fixed

 
At Monday, May 9, 2005 at 9:01:00 AM EDT, Anonymous Chris Chase said...

I agree with some of the other comments here that this guy was rejected in someway by the military community. I do not know, maybe they asked or he told. Any way, he has an emotional involvement with the military. I know people who wouldn't join the military if they gave you a free house with an ocean view, but they do not hate the military: they are indifferent to it. Indifference is the opposite of love, not hate. He must believe the establishment has done something terrible to him for him to be able to justify to himself being this angry. Something personal like exposing publicly an assumed character flaw he had kept hidden away. What a watse of energy!! Inability to integrate with society takes on many forms: some people become wandering homeless muttering to themselves, some build shacks and try to end technological advancement by mailing letter bombs* or sitting behind their computers slinging digital poop all over their own cages as well as throwing it at those passersby who come to have peek at the ineffectual man in his natural habitat.(*Oh yes, Ted Kazinski was called the UNIbomber because he attacked mostly UNIversities not UNAversities, pet peeve rant off!)

 
At Monday, May 16, 2005 at 10:29:00 PM EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said...

According to forsakethetroops. info

On Monday evening, the webmaster of Forsake The Troops was brutally assaulted by two men, thought to be members of the military, in response to their opinions about this website. Mr. Crook had been the target of numerous death threats and trespassers at his residence. All of these threats were saved and have been turned over to the authorities.
UPDATE:

At 6:19pm Eastern time, Michael Crook died of his injuries, after being rushed by ambulance to the leading hospital in the area for head trauma. The two men who allegedly assaulted him are currently in the custody of police. Mr. Crook died with his wife and infant daughter present.

It is therefore the decision of his family, and associates that Forsake The Troops goes offline, to prevent further incidents of violence and threats against his family. Therefore, this domain will permanantly go offline at around 5pm Eastern time, on Tuesday, May 17th, 2005.

Comments, and well-wishes may be addressed to noc@smishosting.com. Media inquiries (no interviews with family at this time), or sincere inquiries from well-meaning people may be directed to (315) 558-4372.

Leave a voice mail message and your call will be returned by our media representative. The family requests privacy at this time.

 
At Tuesday, May 17, 2005 at 1:51:00 AM EDT, Anonymous thedingo said...

If its true: Good and good riddance.

I'm doubting it is true, though. This guy's enough of an attention whore to fake something like this. I've yet to find any mention of his death on anything other than his blog, and nobody I know in his area has noticed anything in the news or other sources (which would show up if the assault actually happened). Haven't found anything on the local police blotter either.

 
At Tuesday, May 17, 2005 at 10:10:00 AM EDT, Anonymous Not fooled said...

Again a false post. As part of the media, this claim was researched with local and not so local law enforcement agencies. No assaults against Michael Crook of Liverpool NY were reported. No death certificates for Michael Crook filed. And no arrests in the assault and MURDER (claimed here) of Michael Crook have been made. Nice try Mr Crook. Your failed attempt at Urban Legend, again a failure.

 
At Tuesday, May 17, 2005 at 4:46:00 PM EDT, Blogger Just So I Can Post said...

Is this guy related to the "runaway bride??

 
At Wednesday, May 18, 2005 at 2:49:00 PM EDT, Blogger Kurt Kaletka said...

Thanks for all the input on this topic, and particular thanks to the anonymous poster who provided the phone number and email address. I never expected it to still be getting so much attention after it was buried in the archives all these months!

I've made a new post on this fraud Michael Crook. It's on the top page of my blog right now.

One thing about Crook's using a cell phone: sure, the number traces to Syracuse, but that doesn't mean he lives there. I know people living in New York with cell numbers that have both Boston and Los Angeles area codes. Crook could be living anywhere in the United States. At any rate, we know for sure he's not dead in Syracuse, and is probably not dead anywhere.

Don't get fooled again.

 
At Tuesday, May 24, 2005 at 11:26:00 PM EDT, Anonymous Anonymous said...

well...looks like we shut him down. He stated above that it would be "highly unlikely" that his ISP would drop him...but they indeed have. Below is the email that was sent to me this evening. I know he'll get another ISP...but we will be waiting...and we will get that one to drop him as well. Enjoy!

Dear Sir or Madam,

I am informing a select few of the situation that is going on with the "forsakethetroops.info" website. In the past week we've recieved a sufficent amount of emails in regards to the content of the website. It seems to be in our best interest to terminate the account and have given the domain owner until Saturday, 28 2005 to remove the contents of his website off our server and to find another service provider.

again, we apologize for our late reply and hope any further problems can be resolved.

Sincerely,

Kerry Jones
BHW Support Department
http://www.bighugeweb.com

 
At Wednesday, November 9, 2005 at 3:05:00 AM EST, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am an active duty service member and this guy's site just makes me laugh. Even IF he really had a problem with military pay (which doesn't make sense because we don't get paid all that much) why wouldn't he take it up with the people who make the decisions, not the troops. Also, many military jobs are very technical now and higher pay and allowances helps retain numbers because we could make more money on the outside, so many of us are taking a pay cut to stay in the military. We pay taxes too!!! I would probably feel bad for this guy if I saw him in person. The only thing that does make me sick, is posting pictures of people who died in Iraq and making a mockery out of it. That's really low. But cowards and ignorant fools will do such things.

 
At Saturday, November 19, 2005 at 6:36:00 AM EST, Anonymous Anonymous said...

YOUR A FUKCING DUMBASS who needs a fikcing life. Dude do you even understand what america stands for? Get a fukcing life and go live in iraq if you want to be such a fukcing dumass. You make me so sick to my stomacht that I want to know where you go everyday and frickin chew your asssss out myself. Your so ridiculous I cant even stand it. FUKCING DUMASS WOW. YOU MAKE ME SICK

 
At Monday, November 28, 2005 at 11:18:00 PM EST, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who said we have freedom of speech?

 
At Tuesday, January 10, 2006 at 2:29:00 AM EST, Anonymous Armywife05 said...

SMIShosting.com is owned But Michael Crook!

FAking his death and then lying what else is he going to do.

He already was rude to the LDS Church who lost missionaries! What else is he going to go after?
He sounds like a Nazi to me

 

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